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Control 101: Creating Consensus Reality (+6)
says Maze on Aug 8th 18 (#821835)
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"In other words, by controlling the perception of public consensus on any particular issue or event, you effectively control the prevailing reality.'" Couldn't agree more.
says JohnW on Aug 8th 18 (#2801047)
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In other words if I get enough media to say that you killed millions of adorable puppies you will be publicly crucified despite the truth? It's scary, how are people supposed to know what is going on in reality?
says Sunny_the_skeptic on Aug 10th 18 (#2801664)
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Sad, but obviously it happens. I'll never forget the imaginary rape case involving the innocent, Duke University, lacrosse players from 2006 as one of many examples.
says JohnW on Aug 10th 18 (#2801671)
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That's different, it's not the media's fault that much. You see the media in those cases just grow fat like vultures. The problem is the kneejerk emotional reaction of people as in execute then ask questions.
says Sunny_the_skeptic on Aug 10th 18 (#2801673)
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I tend to think the media was very much at fault, not completely mind you, but definitely an accessory. Those young, male athletes were figuratively executed, then the trial started.
says JohnW on Aug 10th 18 (#2801686)
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Indeed, the media didnt start it but sure riled up a rabble, how else would people react when they're told a lacrosse player raped a girl? You get a mass of hysteria at which point the truth no longer matters, if the court doesn't screw them up the public will.
says Sunny_the_skeptic on Aug 10th 18 (#2801688)
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This was used effectively in the last election: First to pretend Trump never had a chance to win. Then to set the idea that immigration was out of control and to blame for all the problems in the world, and finally to cement the idea that Hillary was such a criminal that people had no choice but to pick Trump. And it was very well executed like a well oiled script.
says VicZinc on Aug 8th 18 (#2801058)
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And if you figured that out, no one else could...right? More like Hillary was made out to be the victim and everyone should feel sorry for her....and vote for her. Because...well, Bill is her husband.. A very bad, worn out script..
says DandyDon on Aug 9th 18 (#2801065)
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My, my, Vic, the wonderful things I learn from you! So the NY Times was in cahoots with Trump to make people think he had no chance.  Until 9 p.m. on election night, that is. (smirk2)
says Thinkerbell on Aug 9th 18 (#2801076)
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Is Sulzberger part of the "elite social engineers" who control the flow of discourse, or is he just a victim like you? I'll never tell.
says VicZinc on Aug 9th 18 (#2801079)
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Read what Sulzberger's paper wrote about Netanyahu's re-election three years ago. "TEL AVIV — After a bruising campaign focused on his failings, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel won a clear victory in Tuesday’s elections and seemed all but certain to form a new government and serve a fourth term, though he offended many voters and alienated allies in the process." Three editorial comments in the short opening paragraph. It was at that point that I stopped taking the NYT seriously as a source of honest news reporting.
says Thinkerbell on Aug 9th 18 (#2801080)
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I take no reports seriously regardless of source. That doesn't mean I won't repeat them, for whatever value such repeating might bring to me (mostly my own entertainment). Nothing matters, so why not just say whatever the hell I want? I don't suppose for one second that you think any comment I (or you) make will have any impact on anything anytime or anywhere. Pretty much like Alex Jones - for me it is just performance art - with the goal of getting any kind of response at all: applause, rotten tomatoes, fury, or just a groan and an eyeroll. That's what it has come down to for me my little Thinker, a game of dodgeball with words and no one keeping score. But I get a real kick out of your consistent willingness to lob grenades - I only hope someday to guess your motivation. [I will admit that one time you got my goat, but I won't make that mistake again.] Balls in your court - serve it up.
says VicZinc on Aug 9th 18 (#2801081)
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Yeah, but "saying whatever the hell you want" generally means toeing the liberal party line, so it's quite obvious that you take certain sources seriously, your nihilistic pretenses notwithstanding.  (biggrin)
says Thinkerbell on Aug 9th 18 (#2801103)
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AND, Hillary believed the hype that she couldn't lose a stopped campaigning. AND, the shadow of Benghazi hung over her. AND the FBI outlined in detail all the crap she did with emails. AND her husband met with the AG on the tarmac to discuss 'grandchildren' while Hillary was under investigation. AND Hillary sounds like an angry crow when speaking.
says Budwick on Aug 9th 18 (#2801160)
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Several factors for sure.
says VicZinc on Aug 9th 18 (#2801325)
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Very apt, Bud.  (biggrin)
says Thinkerbell on Aug 9th 18 (#2801347)
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OMG! That sounds just like her! Great find!
says Budwick on Aug 10th 18 (#2801571)
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Like calling anything the media reports "fake news" even if you'll just admit to it a week from now.
says ForkNdaRoad on Aug 9th 18 (#2801382)
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